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Five days with Jacco van der Kooij: what we learned about revenue architecture

Chris CornehlCEO da MeetRox
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Five days with Jacco van der Kooij: what we learned about revenue architecture

Five gatherings in five days with the founder of Winning by Design, including a dinner at MeetRox. Three ideas that stuck with us about metrics, the sales cycle, and what the customer actually said.

AI Summary
Over five days with Jacco van der Kooij, including a dinner at MeetRox, he swapped the traditional Q&A for conversations at every table.
Three ideas stood out: the system speaks through metrics, the sales cycle is made of the gaps between meetings, and what the customer said isn't what the rep remembers.
The recording is the most faithful record of what matters to the customer, and that's why MeetRox was built.

For a week, the MeetRox team spent every day with Jacco van der Kooij, founder of Winning by Design.

Five rooms in five days: the Impact Summit pre-launch dinner, Cortex Summit, Impact Summit, our dinner at MeetRox, and a breakfast at XP that turned into a masterclass.

The best moment wasn't on any agenda. At our dinner, after talking about AI and revenue architecture, the obvious next step would have been a Q&A. Instead, he sat down at every table and talked with each group.

Jacco van der Kooij talks about AI and revenue architecture at the MeetRox dinner
Jacco van der Kooij talks about AI and revenue architecture at the MeetRox dinner

Three ideas stuck with us.

Your system is talking to you. Are you listening?

Beyond a certain size, the operation communicates through metrics. He showed a real chart from a company doing US$1.14 billion in revenue where the growth rate still looked sustainable, while the second derivative showed compounding had stopped eight quarters earlier. Nobody had noticed. The CEO left three months later.

The sales cycle is made of the gaps, not the meetings

Five meetings over 90 days means about 22 days of silence between each one. Cut one meeting and you cut 22 days. And most of the time, it's the rep who slows the cycle down, not the customer. We hold meetings because we didn't get enough out of the last one.

What the customer said isn't what the rep remembers

A customer lists five pain points. The rep holds on to the third and fourth, because those are the ones they know how to solve. Three weeks later, that's all that survives, and that's what makes it into the CRM. The recording is the most faithful record of what really matters to the customer. Everything after it is a lossy copy.

“The recording is the most faithful record of what really matters to the customer. Everything after it is a lossy copy.”

That last one is the reason MeetRox was built. Hearing him reach that conclusion by a completely different path was worth the whole week.

Instead of a Q&A, Jacco sat down at every table to talk with the guests
Instead of a Q&A, Jacco sat down at every table to talk with the guests

What you won't find in books

He also told a room how AI cannibalized part of his own business two years ago. In public, no sugarcoating. Then he pointed to Chris Cornehl, MeetRox's CEO, and told everyone to try copying Chris into their product, and that it wouldn't be easy. We still don't know if it was a compliment or a challenge.

He's one of the most technical people in revenue we've ever met, and one of the least interested in looking technical. He's funny. He held the mic until his arm hurt and kept going. He ended one session by telling a room of founders he loved them, and the next morning flew to Stockholm.

And he's humble in a way that changes the room's behavior. People stop showing off and start asking real questions.

Guests and the MeetRox team at the dinner with Jacco van der Kooij
Guests and the MeetRox team at the dinner with Jacco van der Kooij

Thank you

Thank you, Jacco, for a week of extraordinary generosity.

Thank you, Renata Centurión. None of this happens without her. She opened the doors and has been our partner in bringing Winning by Design closer to revenue teams in Brazil.

And thanks to everyone who shared the table with us.

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